Michael Lichardi: want to start with the use of historical allusions?
(and what would that be considered? ethos?)
Aashna: like the fact that he used "we, the people", over and over again?? and yeah i believe so
history has credibility
Michael Lichardi: true true
ok ill go for it
Aashna: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.” he starts off with this quote
Franki: I think that Obama wants to emphasize the fact that America should be a united front.
Aashna: i thought he was saying how far they have come as a nation
me: He is trying to evoke a sense of unity and nationalism right off the bat, by starting with that quote
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Franki: I agree with you Aashna, it is also evident in how he referenced the constitution as one of the "founding documents"
Michael Lichardi: He's using pathos and ethos here. Pathos because he's appealing to, like Franky said, the nationalistic side of people and making everyone feel a sense of pride to be apart of these United States.
Aashna: in his first speech, he started off by noting all the presidents that took the oath and again notes the We the People so not much has changed
Michael Lichardi: Ethos because he references the Constitution.
Aashna: he still is a man strong in his appeal of nationalism and unity. i think its both ethos and pathos.
Franki: Exactly, he wants people to feel as secure in him and his actions as people did when the Constitution was written
Michael Lichardi: He used "We the people.." a lot.
This repetition serves as more pathos.
Aashna: something about unity is just a calming thought and that is every much gonna touch the hearts of the people.
Michael Lichardi: It gives the people that sense of pride and belonging feeling everyone so desires.
Franki: Exactly, he wants the public to view him as a common man and as though he is a typical American man who people can relate to
Aashna: he wanted to set aside differences of race (MLK reference) and politics and show that set aside their differences and they are all still every much one nation
Michael Lichardi: " My fellow Americans, we are made for this moment, and we will seize it – so long as we seize it together."
To support your claim, Franky
Aashna: ahhh he repeats the words "together" alot
Franki: That was another historical allusion he used to express how America has changed and evolved
Aashna: again probably trying to evoke a sense of unity
Franki: Unity seemed to be a very important theme of his speech
Michael Lichardi: Well since we're in a time of rebuilding after a war, it makes sense.
Aashna: he also did that in his first speech. showing how AMerica has changed for the better even though there are still problems, they have grown as a nation
Franki: Yes, and he also shared his plans for evolving out nation even more
wait, ignore that
Michael Lichardi: "We, the people, still believe that our obligations as Americans are not just to ourselves, but to all posterity. We will respond to the threat of climate change, knowing that the failure to do so would betray our children and future generations. Some may still deny the overwhelming judgment of science, but none can avoid the devastating impact of raging fires, and crippling drought, and more powerful storms. The path towards sustainable energy sources will be long and sometimes difficult. But America cannot resist this transition; we must lead it. We cannot cede to other nations the technology that will power new jobs and new industries – we must claim its promise. That is how we will maintain our economic vitality and our national treasure – our forests and waterways; our croplands and snowcapped peaks. That is how we will preserve our planet, commanded to our care by God. That’s what will lend meaning to the creed our fathers once declared."
sorry for the big block of text
it basically outlines what America has to do to move forward and strive.
Franki: That was a huge emotional appeal as well
Michael Lichardi: He references the creed our fathers once declared.
Franki: Obama was trying to stress the importance of being an American and how that meaning has evolved.
Michael Lichardi: That ties pathos in with a historical allusion, making him seem very reputable (ethos).
Franki: This was evident when he said, "We are true to our creed when a little girl born into the bleakest poverty knows that she has the same chance to succeed as anybody else, because she is an American, she is free, and she is equal, not just in the eyes of God but also in our own."
Aashna: personally, that just seems like a lot of words to hide the fact that we are in the midst of crisis and we need to make alot of changes. but you guys are right. he adds a lot of historical allusions to make it sound reputable
Michael Lichardi: Oh of course, Aashna.
However, he can't come out and say that, since it will make it seem like his presidency was a failure.
Aashna: haha yeah probs not a good idea
Franki: I mean there is a time and a place for dealing with crises and addressing the public about it, but I think he wanted to keep the inauguration speech more uplifting instead on focusing on the hardships we are currently facing
The devices he uses allows the speech to be motivational and inspiring to listeners.
Michael Lichardi: Plus he needs the support of the people, and making himself seem like a bad president is very bad ethos.
Franki: Exactly, he needed to convey that he is the best choice for President and that America did not make the wrong decision
Aashna: and plus his goal for this presidency is to change from our past mistakes and move on
fto improve ourselves
Franki: "But we reject the belief that America must choose between caring for the generation that built this country and investing in the generation that will build its future. "
Aashna: personally, i think the reason he reaches so many families is because he is such a family guy and he shows that through his speech
Michael Lichardi: That ties in his political beliefs in a very moving way.
It makes people who are against those beliefs seem like bad people, which is clever.
Franki: It is a clever way to word his views because it will make people think twice about his views.,
Michael Lichardi: Exactly.
Aashna: and again it just goes to show the whole unity thing
Michael Lichardi: "Let each of us now embrace, with solemn duty and awesome joy, what is our lasting birthright. With common effort and common purpose, with passion and dedication, let us answer the call of history, and carry into an uncertain future that precious light of freedom."
This highlights the "Faith in America's Future" point well.
Aashna: and it is definitely pathos.
Michael Lichardi: There's tons of pathos in this speech. I think that's mainly because we already know he's a reputable president, he just needs to get more supporters now that he's in office for another years.
another years **
another 4 years**
my 4 button stopped working...
Franki: His "Faith in America's Future" is also evident when he speaks about controversial issues.
"It is now our generation’s task to carry on what those pioneers began. For our journey is not complete until our wives, our mothers, and daughters can earn a living equal to their efforts. Our journey is not complete until our gay brothers and sisters are treated like anyone else under the law – for if we are truly created equal, then surely the love we commit to one another must be equal as well. Our journey is not complete until no citizen is forced to wait for hours to exercise the right to vote. Our journey is not complete until we find a better way to welcome the striving, hopeful immigrants who still see America as a land of opportunity; until bright young students and engineers are enlisted in our workforce rather than expelled from our country. Our journey is not complete until all our children, from the streets of Detroit to the hills of Appalachia to the quiet lanes of Newtown, know that they are cared for, and cherished, and always safe from harm.
That is our generation’s task – to make these words, these rights, these values – of Life, and Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness – real for every American. "
That is our generation’s task – to make these words, these rights, these values – of Life, and Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness – real for every American. "
I'm sorry for the really long quote, but it represents his idea of America's future.
Aashna: he advocates change all throughout his speech and shows that America will become better.
Michael Lichardi: So i think we can agree that Faith, Unity, Happiness, and Moving Forward with Positive Change are the main themes of his speech?
Franki: I think we can because this is what he sees America to be after his term is over
Aashna: which are all examples of pathos.
if you look back at his first speech, we see that he was really trying to make a big point of the problems but now he is trying to show that even in the means of crisis, we must stand together.
Franki: Eaxctly, he uses so much parallelism with the mentioning of "we" and "you and I" consistantly throughout the speech
Aashna: We understand that outworn programs are inadequate to the needs of our time. We must harness new ideas and technology to remake our government, revamp our tax code, reform our schools, and empower our citizens with the skills they need to work harder, learn more, reach higher.
forgot the quotes
but anyway he shows that he is well aware of the problems and the verbs he uses are really strong too
Franki: This is his vision of America, and this is also apart of the climax, a rhetorical device, used in his speech.
Aashna: like revamp and empower and remake
Michael Lichardi: thats a good point. He uses a lot of very strong words when he climaxes.
Which he does quite effectively.
Aashna: and those strong words make us want to trust him and believe in having faith and change
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Franki: Those words often evoke inspiration when heard. His delivery of the speech allows people to view those points as the basis of his speech and presidency
Michael Lichardi: Would you guys like to wrap this up with a quick discussion on the word clouds?
Aashna: "But while the means will change, our purpose endures: a nation that rewards the effort and determination of every single American."
Aashna: again he goes to show that he wants to help every single American and that he understands what we are going through
Franki: My word cloud was kind of in the right ballpark of words, but the words Nirali and I chose were common, such as nation and American
Michael Lichardi: Aashna and I made "We" the most commonly used word, which was fairly accurate.
Aashna: and those words all come to the conclusion of unity
so sorry for being so repetitive
Franki: That was a really good prediction, seeing that he wanted a sense of togetherness among himself and the citizens of this country
Michael Lichardi: No problem Aashna. He was very repetitive, so we have to be to discuss it lol
Franki: I agree, in everything he said there was an underlying sense of unity among the country and how the country has evolved and will evolve together
Aashna: again American also is a historical allusion to MLK because MLK always wanted that every race discrimination be rid off such that they are all Americans even with different skin tones
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Michael Lichardi: He uses the fact that he is of different skin color to his advantage a lot.
Which, again, is good pathos.
Franki: Although it shouldn't matter, it is what made him stand out in 2008, making him a pop culture icon
Michael Lichardi: which is unfortunate.
Aashna: and the fact that his speech so happened to fall on MLK day just gives a boost to his speech. i also find it interesting how he talks about environmental crisis which really impacted the last few months of his presidency.
Michael Lichardi: And arguably got him elected
Aashna: "Some may still deny the overwhelming judgment of science, but none can avoid the devastating impact of raging fires, and crippling drought, and more powerful storms."
Franki: That was meant to evoke emotion in the listeners.
Michael Lichardi: PATHOS
Aashna: to show that he understands what many of the families went through even though he wasn't there
Franki: Yup! For example, anyone in the New York and New Jersey areas immediately though of Sandy and it hit home with anyone who has been affected by any natural disaster
Michael Lichardi: Yeah, and the people over by New Orleans thought of Katrina, and what Bush did or didn't do.
Franki: Yup, people all over have been affected by something, whether it be personally or whether it happened to someone they know
Michael Lichardi: I'm trying to keep politics out of this, but I think he used that to make himself seem like he had a better response to Sandy then Bush to Katrina.
Aashna: also in his last speech, he addressed how they were in the war decade and in his speech he addresses how they have left the war and now they should focus on building the nation rather than foreign affairs.
sorry that was totally off topic
Michael Lichardi: not really, it has a lot to do with the disaster we have to move through
Franki: exactly, were you guys surprised by anything he said?
I personally was surprised at the mention of Newtown because it is still a sore subject and was a tragedy that rocked America at its core.
Aashna: not really. i feel that his goal was to show perspective of his goal to build unity and a stronger nation. and he accomplished just that.
Franki: I thought that it was a little to early to start using that, but it did help his point in a positive way
Michael Lichardi: Same, think it was a fairly predictable speech in the sense of what he would talk about.
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Aashna: i think his goal was to hit home and look out of the whole political barrier and really show that they have to set their differences aside if they want to accomplish anything
i feel that addressing what occurred at Newton did just that
Michael Lichardi: did i get disconnected?
Aashna: it also showed that he is a family person and he understands what a family is considering he has wo daughters
umm no i dont think so Mike
Franki: that's true, and it helps him relate in the end
what do you guys think Obama has learned from his first term in office
Michael Lichardi: I think we'll see in a year or two
Aashna: i dont know if you watched the oath he took on Saturday (the day before his speech) but there were a lot of stuff going on about how he raises a family while being President
Michael Lichardi: He almost didn't screw up the oath, so maybe he learned to practice that more
Aashna: I think he learned that his job is to ensure unity considering he brings that topic over and over in his speech
fyi, he is the second president to have taken the oath four times
Michael Lichardi: Oh I need your opinion on something I was thinking throughout the speech
Franki: I agree, like he was able to get across his new point on unity
Michael Lichardi: I kept thinking Rise of the Proletariat when he was talking about the rising middle class and how we all need to rest on their shoulders
Aashna: that was also one of the main focuses when he was campaigning.
Michael Lichardi: that it was
Franki: yup, there was a pretty big difference in his speeches
Aashna: i guess that has to do with a majority of the American population fitting into that category of being a middle-class citizen
which speech did you guys like better??
Franki: in his first speech it was broader and did not hit any specific points
Aashna: he was just a neophyte then
Michael Lichardi: wow.
Franki: in the second speech, he went into detail about how the country would change, not just simply stating the fact
Franki: you go with the vocab word
Michael Lichardi: someone's a cool cat
Aashna: i like to think so
Franki: okay so another difference is that this speech had a more positive outlook on change and the future of the country
the first speech only focused on negative aspects, such as war, job loss, and health care issues.
Aashna: personally, just the way his speech was written, i think that we can see that his word choice has changed. his words seems to be more bolder and he is getting better at his use of his rhetorical devices
Franki: Although he used different approaches to get his point across, the theme was still in the same ballpark
Michael Lichardi: I think that's because in his first term, we were in a time of war, and he needed to show he was against it.
Franki: i agree, like now he feels as though he has fixed some issues and can now focus on the future and moving past errors made and moving forward as a nation
Aashna: he stands away from adressing many controversial issues to build on the whole unity and faith themes
Michael Lichardi: i agree as well. I also think that the inaugural address is more of a "come on and follow me, because you're stuck with me anyway!" speech rather than a "pick me over him!" speech.
hence all of the pathos
Franki: that makes sense because hes trying to have all of America back him up, which is a commonality of both speeches
this is probably why his word cloud had people as the top word
he wants everyone to have a sense of unity, therefore supporting his ideologies and his theme of "Faith in America's Future"
Aashna: another world that appeared was "must" to show that they must change
Franki: exactly, his word cloud is representative of what his main points and themes were. I think that;s it.
Michael Lichardi: BYEEEEEE
Franki: bahahh welll BYEEE GUYSS